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Bill’s Humiliation in Panties Volume 8 yInto spaceThis had some really big sci fi ideas in it most notably the Ringworld itself But this is one of those books where the social attitudes of the time it was written have become really painful to read Because even though it s supposed to be 2855 the women in this book exist only to 1 Sleep with Louis 2 Be good luck charms 3 Act as ship s whores on long space flightsYou ve come a long way babyI generally try to avoid judging a book by the era it was written but 1970 couldn t have been this bad could it And if so I d expect a guy who could come up with concepts this big to have put a little thought into gender roles in 800ears Plus while the Ringworld idea is pretty clever I found the rest of the sci fi kind of crude and dated Maybe that s just because there s been 40 ears of material since it was published but I didn t get much enjoyment out of reading this Ringworld is definitely a sci fi classic a monumental achievement in world building Any sci fi aficionados who don t like it should be ashamed of themselvesArgh It s never pleasant to go against the conventional wisdom but over at PrintSF online SF discussion community I see a lot of comments along the line of I really want to like this book because everybody say it s great what am I missing I think a lot of people try too hard to like certain books and I don t know why it does not entail that ou are wrong or even that Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesuieu you are right and everybody else is wrong You like whatou like leave it at thatOK enough of the irrelevant opening There is no denying that Ringworld is a major work in the history of sci fi A ginormous artificial ring shaped planet encircling a star is an amazing concept especially as Larry Niven is able to back up the concept with real world science Gravity generated from the centrifugal force of the planet s programmed rotation speed an inner ring of shadow suares to create nights a weird horizon due to the shape of the planet etc These are mind blowing concepts and very influential for later generations of sci fi authorsThe Ringworld itself is a monumental sci fi creationWhere it falls down for me is the story and the characters Having built this amazing world I don t think the events that take place on it make for a very compelling narrative The characters do get into a lot of trouble but their adventures do not read like edge of the seat thrills I am having a lot of trouble explaining why the plot does not excite me here there are many wild inventions here which are almost as awesome as the basic premise itself but I just felt detached from the narrative Certainly part of it is the characterization characterization is not indispensable for good sci fi the likes of Asimov and Clarke were mostly able to get away with uite perfunctory character developments However I think they told very riveting stories with the right pacing and at modest page counts Niven s characters in Ringworld are uite colorful but I did not care for any of them and did not give a monkey whether any or all of them snuff it through the course of the narrative One problem I perceive is that Niven uses the sci fi trope of each alien species having one type of overriding character trait The kzinti are all warlike the puppeteers are all cowards etc Why then are humans so diverse in personalities Real aliens may turn out that way I don t know but it is hard to believe in a species with one personality Conseuently the alien characters come across as a little one note but come to think of it the human characters are kind of one note too They don t feel like vivid complex believable characters they are just there to drive the plot By the end of the book I was feeling Uite Impatient To Done impatient to be done itFor Big Object books I much prefer Clarke s Rendezvous with Rama the characters are eually flat but the book somehow feels alive and the sense of wonder is palpable As for Larry Niven I am a big fan of his "Collaborations With Jerry Pournelle Especially The Mote In God S " with Jerry Pournelle especially The Mote in God s which is one of my all time favoritesRingworld is not bad by any stretch of imagination it s me I m the bad oneRating5 Stars for the Ringworld planet3 Stars for the storyline2 Stars for the characters 33333 etc neutron stars NoteAnother Ringworld art this depicts a view from the surface of the planetRingworld s horizon is interesting to imagine Given the shape of the planet it does not really have a horizon The above artwork is probably inaccurate though because the Ringworld is many times the size of Earth 600 million miles in diameter one million miles wide so Colp you probably would not be able to see so much any of the upward curvature I am not sure whatou would see but it would look awesome and weird Not much I can say about this It blew my mindIn order for Dressage conjugal you to truly appreciate Ringworldou would have to mentally backtrack forty odd Leyna Book 1 years Big Ideas in Science Fiction are a dime a dozen TodayBut in 1970Perhaps Niven s vision upstaged his characters Perhaps But I could still lose myself on the ring It fascinated me then it fascinates me now This novel made authors sit up and pay attention to just how bigou could think if Le Druidisme au quotidien you really appliedour imagination Also I ve spent Ravens, Tome 4: SylveLarme years wracking my mind trying to think just how that horizon must look curving up like that for millions of milesHugo Award 1970Nebula Award 1971Locus Award 1971Respect Loved it then Love it now Favourites I m afraid this made me want to punch Larry Niven in the stomach on the behalf of all women everywhere Along with people who aren t so privileged that life bores them with its comforts but mostly on behalf of women A 180ear old man sleeping with a 20 ear old woman Just so wrong and it keeps going wrong He writes things about Teela likeHer lips he saw were perfect for pouting She was one of those rare lucky women whom crying does not make uglyIt is painfully condescending even as her power is revealed her thinking and aware self remains enslaved to it But I said it got worse The females of the feline alien race on the ship are non sentient beings whose only purpose is to have babies and it is intimated that the puppeteers might have a similar system We finally meet one of the Ringworld over race whatever and it s a woman who is not too bright and there were only three women there in a crew of 36 on the spaceship she worked on so obviously she is some kind of prostitute Why else would a woman be on a spaceship So apart from that infuriating fact there are sentences like Prill tried to explain to me what happened here as one of her crew explained to her He had oversimplified of course And then Her touch was a joy as thick as syrup She knew a terribly ancient secret that every women is born with a tasp and that its power is without limit if she can learn to use it And she will use it to enslave and control her man of course she will she has no other options Worst of all He names one of his creatures the frumious bandersnatch My favourite Carroll creation I did not appreciate finding it here The ring world is very cool Nessus too but I couldn t get over the anger Still I finished it and it kept me turning the pages so it is now two stars as I suppose one star is for the books I just couldn t even finish. A kzin a huge cat like alien to explore it But a crash landing on the vast edifice forces the crew on a desperate and dangerous trek across the Ringwor. ,
A Kzinti is aptly described as being lion like and ferocious I dig it likewise when Teela Brown is brought on board as the token human female with sexy attributes I again dig it but with a shameful misogynistic sneer Let s be honest for a minute folks There are plenty of times in 60s 70s and even 80s science fiction where the female beauty is there for nothing than sexual deviance it was a curse of the times But I do have a problem with how this uartet came to be For my money I wanted details of how these species interact their histories and even what they are like within their own cultures Granted Niven does give some of these details throughout the book but I m greedy and I wanted okay most of the book is about the interactions of these four but I still wanted backstory So the story itself Well ou seeuhmmhow about this Plot Mysterious sphere reminiscent of a Dyson sphere is floating through space and is begging to be explored I wish I could tell Le Tricot Poche Pour les Nuls you alas there really isn t to tell You see this is not an adventure novel of space exploration or alien world exploration This novel is all about ideas Ifou re the type of reader that likes to have a solid plotline throughout a story with nice resolutions at the end Deliciously Ella entre amis you re going to be disappointed There are far too many uestions that never get addressed again after being introduced and the biggie uestion of them all Who are the Ringworld Engineers is never given Basically RINGWORLD is a novel about the characters insofar as the Reader is allowed to understand them For instance there is a wonderful bit of cosmic politics about why humans and not the Kzinti were given the knowledge of hyperdrives from the Outsiders Think war war warkind of ironic whenou stop to think about it Further the mere scope of the Ring is mindboggling The radius of the sphere is set at one astronomical unit that is 93000000 miles Niven explores about000001% guesstimate only put VO2 max l'preuve du temps your calculators away of this through his characters Like I said this is a story about ideas And because this idea of a ringworld is so powerful and uniue this novel rightly deserves to be considered canonical Just think where doou think HALO came from I digressNiven had an idea with this story Nothing Most of the time this would cause a novel to fall flat on its face lose the readernot here It is precisely for this reason that the reader becomes trapped and awed by this story never wanting to leave and always searching for answers Niven allows the reader to leave the novel with all of his ideas and the permutations of ideas that the reader had while reading the novelthat is AWESOME Granted Niven did buckle He did write a seuel ten Kanji et Kana : Manuel et lexique des 2141 caractres officiels de l'criture japonaise suivi de caractres composs formant un vocabulaire de base de plus de 12 000 mots years later THE RINGWORLD ENGINEERS explaining some of the uestions and giving all those that didn t like the original book a nice tidy bow as an ending I can t say that I ve ever read this I can say that I will never read this because I don t want to lose the magic of this novel Ifou liked Clarke s RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA Un Protecteur Pour Caroline (Forces Trs Spciales t. 1) you ll like RINGWORLD If notou best steer clear of this one HIGHLY RECOMMENDED Larry Niven published Ringworld in October 1970 to much acclaim the novel won the Hugo Nebula and Locus awards for best science fiction novel in 1970Any fan of the genre will be familiar with Ringworld it s freuently cited as one of the best ever and I ve seen it on countless bookshelves and it has long been on my radar to read It s a SF classic and has no doubt been wildly influential on scores of works since it first came outTo be blunt I was a little disappointedI liked it don t get me wrong it s good SF and fun A charismatic and eclectic band of adventurers from the far future set out to explore a mysterious and MASSIVE object in space a RINGWORLD ancient and made by distant aliensThe ragtag team is composed of two humans Louis Wu and Teela Brown a Kzin named Speaker to Animals a Kzin is a huge truculent cat alien kind of like a fuzzy Klingon and we re the animals BTW and a strange alien called a Puppeteer who is very much a behind the scenes kind of guy The four ride air cars and explore the MASSIVE really mind bogglingly big Ringworld and make some unexpected findsI compared this to Arthur C Clarke s brilliant Rendezvous unexpected findsI compared this to Arthur C Clarke s brilliant Rendezvous Rama and John Varley s Gaean trilogy all books about finding an ancient mysterious alien construct world Whereas Clarke s characterization is as almost always for him visibly lacking I don t think he tried very hard in that area Niven can put some good dialogue together But I wanted to know about the Ringworld and he focused on the 60s kitsch journey Other readers will no doubt be turned off by his over the top sexism and somewhat dated science descriptionsMaybe in 1970 this was groundbreaking and I can see the influence on later SF but I ll stop here though he wrote some seuels A very interesting conceptBUT I have to get on my soapbox for a minute After reading a few of his books I have to get on my soapbox for a minute After reading a few of his books I have say that Larry Niven s attitude towards women what they are like and what they are capable of is sadly lacking Though his male characters seem to be pretty well fleshed out human even if they are alien fallible and interesting his female characters are sadly one dimensional It seems to me that most the female character in his books are either clueless idiot savants helpless before the sexual attraction of the main characters or all the above Ok I m off my soapbox nowThough this little issue nearly spoils it for me the convoluted plot is well thought out and the concept of the novel is interestingblah blah blahI will say that it s still worth reading With a grain of salt In response to all those that say that Niven should be excused for essentially being an old man and for being born in the first half of the last centuryI d like to point out the following A This book was written in 1970 well after the feminist movement had taken root B There is a vast array of male sci fi authors both contemporary with Mr Niven and writing earlier that don t have this same issue cough cough Tolkien cough Douglas Adams cough Frank Herbert cough Excuse me C This is my opinion and a warning to other feminist types lukewarm or otherwise not an attack on Mr Niven s character nor overall ability as an author Kind of D That being said it s frustrating that an important character in this interesting novel would be so incredibly and irritatingly one dimensional Just saying I d wanted to read this because I m a fan of the Halo video games and I d heard that it was a big influence on those I gotta say that I d have liked it if the Master Chief would have shown up and started chucking some plasma grenades aroundSet in 2855 human Louis Wu is recruited by an alien named Nessus to go on a hazardous mission to explore a strange structure that rings a distant star Another alien called Speaker To Animals from a warrior race apparently descended from some really tough tomcats is also recruited A human woman named Teela joins the group almost by accidentWhen they get to their destination they find a giant ring with a habitable inner surface that has an area many times greater than the earth After an accident strands them on the world they start exploring to find a way to get their ship back out. Vered it are understandably wary of encountering the builders of such an immense structure and have assembled a team of two humans a mad puppeteer and. I started this book expecting an awesome experience it won the Hugo AND Nebula awards after allToo bad it was a hot mess The smile is because the book was lightheartedWhat to say of Niven s prose other than that it is horrible The dialog is stilted often it is impossible to tell what the characters are talking about because their references are unclear or new information necessary to understand WTF is going on passes through the cardboard cutoutprotagonist s head only after the page long conversation has ended The narrative is eually confusing at times it was impossible to visualize what was happening eg with the shadow suare wire or what anything looked likeThe protagonists have nonexistent emotional ranges and when they do emote each always in the same way since all four are completely one dimensional the reader is told through adverbs and adjectives exactly how they feel how many times is fear used in reference to Nessus for example eliminating any sense of complexity Further there is no wonder Everything is prosaic which is a problem when the discovery and exploration of the unknown is the focal point of the book When they finally see Ringworld we are told that Louis will remember this 99 but it rings completely hollow since no visual impression or sense of awe is communicated in any depth In almost every case their response to the titanic and dangerous Ringworld is best described as dull surprise OMG An enormous artificial structure 600000000 miles long built by an unknown race a really long time agoCharacterization is not much better Louis Wu is two hundred Profession Slasheur: Cumuler les jobs un mtier d'avenir years old which has no conseuence or manifestation at all other than internal reflections on how he is two hundredears old We have Nessus a two headed alien who changes from an intelligent coward with instances of bravery to an intelligent coward with instances of bravery who speaks an additional language Speaker To Animals a member of the feline Kzin species experiences a similarly fundamental character change All of them have no motivation whatsoever for anything besides a generic racial survival motive supernovae will wipe everything out unless they can develop fast enough space flight that is never explored in any detail or complicated in any wayThe exception is perhaps Teela Brown a Language and the Mind young na ve lucky girl whose development is obvious because Louis explicitly describes the inane ways in which she has changed Why not SHOW us Not that her character changed in a good way she went from being oblivious eye candy for Louis to less oblivious eye candy for another man The only other woman by the way is a near bald prostitute with the unfortunate name of Halrloprillalar Hotrufan She serves essentially no plot function but does often touch Louis here and there inducing the vaguest orgasms I have ever encountered in literature As an illustration of gender in Ringworld I will leaveou with this gemHe got very uncomfortable and stopped sleeping with me He thinks How To Top Like A Stud: A Penetrating Guide to Gay Sex. (Like A Porn Star) you own me LouisSla Well this book won both the Hugo and Nebula award in 197071 for best novel and who am I to argue with the voting panels In my view this book is astounding SF pun intended its characters are well built and the story is just so far reaching with brilliant science to back it upI first read this sometime back in the late 70s and have re read it a couple of time since but it has to be 15ears since I last read it oh how I have missed books this far ranging this broad in their scope this thought out and just this enjoyableShall I go onto seuel number 1 well the problem is I can t seem to find it so I shall have to buy it to carry on the adventureIf Средневековая история Домашняя работа you are a SF fan and have never read this book then I urgeou to do so The Impostor you will not be disappointed Thankou Mr Niven for this truly marvellous story I can t believe this won three big awards The story is about as interesting as the trade war minutia of Episodes 1 3 of Star Wars In non geeky terms not very interesting Actually as I went out to buy a cup of coffee this morning I thought that if Larry Niven had teamed up with George Lucas the preuel episodes of Star Wars could have been totally ruined and maybe episodes 4 6 could have been reworked too to make them completely insipid and unwatchable How Well Larry Niven seems to be really interested in stopping times for ships going really fast For example he has some ship that can travel hundreds of light ears in like three minutes or something like that but then it takes months to slow down now if the principles of deceleration were applied to the warp speed or whatever it was called in Star Wars then so much unnecessary coolness of the first three movies could be eliminated and in the time it took say for the Millennium Falcon to slow down on a mission so much extra trade details could be included Anyway for all of the trade details could be included Anyway for all of the given to deceleration and the math involved in figuring out the size of the ringworld for those who don t really give a shit it s really really big Niven knows shit about evolution which would be fine except that he ties up the whole story in selective breeding nonsense that makes no sense at all and actually works as a cheap literary device to get the characters out of any situation they might happen to find themselves in I know this is called Deus ex Machina but in this context I like to call it Dungeon Master bullshit There is really no story here except if one thinks of a story as 340 pages of how big a fucking ring is There are things to give the asocial and undersexed hope for the future when apparently women will be dumber than a box of rocks but very very easy and men will have to "Have Constant Companionship Be " constant companionship be getting their rocks off with these dumber than a box of rocks women or else they might start raping aliens es this is mentioned twice at least the main character will need a companion or he might rape an alien This makes sense though because the male lead in this story is really not much smarter than a box of rocks either we are told he is smart but he s not He s a hedonistic moron who constantly needs to be entertained and have his physical needs met like a hyperactive infant When in one of the only scenes where something really happens this idiot is in a dangerous situation he uickly starts whining to himself that there is no entertainment Maybe this isn t so far fetched a future man though Why two stars Because for some reason the first 70 pages were actually kind of fun but once the idea of this big ring was fully introduced there was nothing left in this book except for a plot line that was dumber than a box of du On Luis Wu s 200th birthday he is approached by Nessus a uasi euine alien species knows as Puppeteers because of the two heads sprouting from their backs Nessus a uasi euine alien species knows as Puppeteers because of the two heads sprouting from their backs are tethered by strands of skin to undertake a remarkable journey Being 200 ears old Luis has seen his share of the universe so he is a bit skeptical when Nessus asks him to join a force of beings to explore the mysterious Ringworld So far so good Enter the rest of the cast First off I have no problem with how any alien is created By my count the possibility of alien life and what these beings may look like are limitless So when Speaker to Animals. The artefact is a circular ribbon of matter six hundred million miles long and ninety million miles in radius Pierson's puppeteers the aliens who disco.